We’ve been Zoomed, Teamed and grouped into a kind of social fatigue. Yet something is shifting, leaders are craving real rooms again.?
In this latest episode of Off Topic but On Point, I sat down with my brilliant friends Dr. Janine de Cabo (The Intentionalist) and Ps Christo Pretorius (The Expander) to explore why in-person communities and leadership circles are making a comeback, and why they’re reshaping business, mindset, and even our nervous systems.
We unpack:
✅ Why online gives scale but in-person gives substance
✅ The neuroscience of connection: oxytocin, safety, and creativity
✅ How to know if you’re in the right room (and why the wrong room is the most expensive one you’ll ever be in)
✅ The difference between “networks” and relationships that transform
✅ Why leaders in Adelaide, Australia—and everywhere— need to be intentional about the spaces they enter
💡 Key insight: You don’t need more information. You need transformation. And transformation only happens in the right room.
Why This Matters for Leaders & Entrepreneurs
We’ve been Zoomed, Teamed, and grouped into a kind of social fatigue. What people are craving now isn’t another notification, it’s authentic connection.
Here in Adelaide, through SustainHer Hills, I see it every month:
✨ Women walk in heavy, tired, and isolated.
✨ They walk out lighter, clearer, calmer, and more resourceful for both business and life.
The same is happening globally. From mastermind boardrooms to local collectives, leaders are rediscovering that community is the currency of the future.
Quick Actions for You
Audit your rooms: Who are the 5 people closest to you right now? Are they stretching you?
Find your people: Stop chasing bigger audiences, start building a better circle.
Go local: Whether you’re in Adelaide, Cape Town, or New York, look for small, intentional communities where real transformation can happen.
If this episode resonated, share it with a friend or colleague who needs a reminder that the right room changes everything!
















